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In this tutorial we cover Liquid Oxygen and Liquid Hydrogen, the main worry when working with this material is over chilling and ending up freezing it instead of liquefying it. So while half of your design problem is the cooling itself, while the other half is to avoid over cooling.
I try to demonstrate all the possible variants and options you can apply to the design though I’m sure I left several out, this game has so many different ways of doing things.
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We’re back with a quick tutorial on oxygen not included and this one. We we’re gonna be tackling liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen no. I know this liquid liquid hydrogen seemed like a difficult task.
But they’re not that bad especially when you have access to super coolant. If you don’t have access to super coolant. It could be very tricky.
But once you have access to super coolant. It becomes fire fire simple all you need is just a steam turbine to delete the heat you’re gonna be generating and they just run the super cool into an equity nur. The difficult part is controlling the temperature.
So you don’t well freeze your oxygen. And i hydrogen and you know turn it into debris that would be bad. That’s usually your biggest concern.
I know we’ll have a quick run through how this works up here we have our steam turbine that deletes the heat and down here we have our aqua tuners that generate that heat or well move the the heat out of the super coolant. So. What’s happening here.
Is the super coolant is coming up here goes into the equity nur. And it gets rotated around through the the coolant tank. And all this is doing is we’re trying to chill everything in here down to well oxygen levels.
So the sensory are set to minus hundred and ninety don’t work don’t worry we’ll go through all these temperature settings later. You know what will remove this tank. And we will start this sucker from scratch and see pardon.
My debug just as this starts working now gas comes in from up here. So there’s the auction that comes in that gets pumped into this room. The super coolant that’s passing through here is going to interact with the gas.
As well as that there’s temperature shift light dipped into the oxygen. So any gas that comes in here. Pretty much instantly turns into liquid.
The hydrogen. One that’s a different story. We’ll get to that later and the liquid drops down here and we have this set to a minus hundred ninety because if we go much lower than that let’s see grab me some oxygen you can see here that the freeze point is minus 218 on the liquid oxygen.
We do have quite a you have quite a decent cap with oxygen so it’s it’s probably the easiest of the two to work with so. The liquid comes down here ruled states all the way around the tank and then on the way back out it goes straight up here. You can just see it there rotating around constantly this sensor.
Just detects whether or not the added. Super coolant is at the right temperature. If it’s not it turns it on and dump some more cooling into the equity nur.
The equity owner here. Though is that the problem. It reduces the temperature of the super coolant by 14 degrees.
So this means. It’s really hard to control precisely what the temperature is going to be so what we want to do is we want to leave ourselves as a pool of oxygen down. Here that sort of x is a buffer a temperature buffer that way if we say it cool down our super coolant from minus ninety to an extra 14 degrees would make that minus 204 degrees.
That minus 204 degrees liquid will hit the oxygen dump. Most of its chill off in there and because the liquid oxygen is such a large pool of liquid it absorbs most of that temperature like changing it too drastically. It’s gonna change it by a fraction of a degree that way nothing freezes nothing gets broken this this pool acts as a stabilizer to keep everything running smoothly.
And that is the main key to running well any super cooling for liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen. Just have something to even out the temperature. So you don’t go too.
Far. So with that out of the way then there’s the next problem. How do you move it around there’s just probably one of the most common questions.
You’ll get is how do i move it around without breaking the pipes. Constantly well that’s where rotation comes in try and ignore the super cooling around the pipes. This here is the liquid pump and it’s pumping it out down here into this liquid tank that liquid tank sends it across here over and down back into the system.
What we’re doing is looping. It we’re pulling the liquid out of the system running it around here and dumping it right back into the system up the top. The reason for this is if you had the rocket say over here on this side.
You would run the liquid oxygen out to the rockets. And then have it rotate back in and come back into your tank. The reason for that is this liquid oxygen stay down here is.
Minus one 911. By the time it passes just to this tiny section of. Piping it’s gone to minus one 909.
So we’ve dropped point two of a degree in just this tiny short distance the longer the run of this piping is and this is ceramic. I think the longer this run of piping is the more that liquid is going to exchange temperature with the pipes. Which is bad all that temperature exchange with the pipes.
Means that if you leave these pipes. Without any liquid moving through them or you stop any rotation. The liquid in there will eventually changing of heat.
That the liquid will go above its transformation points or its gasification point. Whatever you want to call it it will turn into a gas and set the pipes and damage the pipes. That’s why you end up with broken pipes.
If you don’t keep rotating. It so you may be wondering what we’ve got with all these things down here. This is just its flow control.
No this one here’s me one that counts that one was a mistake in to put that one there. But all i’m doing is i’m limiting the flow control appear. So that it only has nine kilos of liquid back into here at a time.
That there’s a little bit a message this madness. What this means is when you pump liquid out of here only nine kilos can get through at a time which means you can stockpile a bunch of liquid inside one of these liquid reservoirs. So this generates the oxygen dumps it through here and the moat when we have too much oxygen being produced and enough being consumed to get stuck piled in this liquid reservoir tank.
Which means you could have two three five liquid reservoir tanks full of liquid oxygen if you wanted they’re perfectly fine so long as now this is very important you have to keep the liquid reservoirs in a vacuum and put them on some mesh tiles as well or inserted tiles. Made of insulation just to make sure there’s i believe liquid reservoirs will exchange heat with the bottom left most tile. Unless that tile is in a vacuum of course then zero heat exchange meaning all the liquid in here will always stay legitimately at that temperature.
If you try to put regular blocks down here well you know what let’s do that now you can see this sandstone tiles. Now have 20 or at 20 c. And then we’ll start this up.
And you see well look the temperature is dropping the reason being it’s exchanging temperature with the liquid reservoir this tile. Doesn’t exchange temperature with the reservoir. Though eventually it would exchange temperature with the sandstone tile.
So this one doesn’t matter you could leave that one there. But so long as this tile here second as long as that tile. There is not it is in a vacuum.
And it’s a mesh trial or is a perfect insulator tile. This will exchange no heats with us. And you should be fine to not have this ever break meaning you can store the liquid oxygen for as long.
As you want that’s the basics of getting your liquid oxygen donor and out to your rockets and back in again. Though there were to be a more detailed demonstration later however one thing you also have to take into account is you’re going to be generating a lot of heat every time the super cool and runs through here is some sort of temperature into this and the steam turbine is going to kick out some hair you see there it’s piercing 42 points whatever cadiz you use if so to cool that dad what i normally do is i siphon off some chill from the oxygen tank and dump it into the steam turbine area just to make sure it never overheats it’s always nice to keep things self contained so that’s why there’s these window tiles here normally you build these things in the vacuum of space and you make sure that it’s a complete vacuum around them so that there’s no heat transfer. It’s really important when you’re working with temperatures this extreme to try and keep everything in a vacuum or where or you’re going to have to start double layering.
It an insulation so this little closed loop of hydrogen is just running around in a circle and dumping chill up into here to make sure that this hydrogen or the steam turbine doesn’t overheat and the reason we use hydrogen and the reason we run it off the oxygen is twofold. One. The oxygen is going to have a lot more spare thermal capacity as in it doesn’t take as much cooling to cool the oxygen down into a liquid format than it does for the hydrogen.
If we try to running this on the hydrogen side. You might the system might not be able to quite handle all the knie. He’s been thrown out the oxygen.
However can handle it and as well as that if you try to this can accidentally if you put it on this side on the hydrogen side. You might accidentally liquefy the hydrogen up here. Which would cause you problems so you’re better off just running around the oxygen side.
It’s cheaper simpler and easier. Though there are more than one ways. Today to do all of this so with that basics covered.
I just want to go over to a slightly different design that it achieves all the same goals. But it’s just designed a slightly different way. It’s the two main variants.
You’ll see floating around in this one. We have a much larger tank. This is a much larger tank for storage.
And that liquid reservoir is not for storing liquid oxygen. Well. We’ll get back to that one what we’re doing here is this over here over here restoring our excess liquid oxygen in a liquid reservoir for usage in this one.
We just stored the liquid oxygen directly in a large tank and we use all of that to help set what we use all of that as our storage system. And this one here is effectively the exact same system as this one over here in terms of just the super coolant runs around and cools everything down. However there’s one minor difference.
There is this liquid reservoir in the way. This is to do with evening out temperatures over here even at the temperature. We run it through a big pool of liquid oxygen to help even it out this allows us to have a nice smaller compact system this system here though we have more space because we’re using a large liquid tank.
So we stick in a liquid reservoir. This means as the super coolant comes in you know what we’ll have to put our cursor over here. You can see the super coolant coming in that pipe.
The contents of the pipe is minus. One hundred and ninety seven point one. However the super coolant in liquid wars were over here is minus.
One hundred ninety three point nine. And you can see that their liquid reservoir was fluctuating a little bit up and down even. Though the super coolant coming into.
It is going up and down well uh. Quite a reasonably bit. The reason being is the moment.
The super coolant coming the pipe mixes with the reservoir. The temperature is even that instantly it’s one of the game mechanic things if you combine a bunch of resources in a tank or a storage container of any sort the temperature between similar resources is instantly even debt this allows us to even at the temperature in here. So we don’t over cheer anything and accidentally solidify some oxygen which i said that’s the main thing you’re trying to avoid here is causing things turning into ice.
It’s not the cooling them down. It’s not the problem. It’s getting them to just the right amount and not too much well or too little can happen.
But usually it’s more case. If not too much no all of that said. This is this is where the temperature is measured here same again.
Minus hundred and ninety. It’s detected on this pipe on the way back in its turns on the equity owner or turns. It off depending on what the temperatures that rotates.
All the way around therefore this one. I have the same thing set up this when it pumps will rotate the liquid out and then rotate back in its limited at nine here. But you don’t really care in the system in this system.
You don’t need this this can be gotten rid of entirely because in this system. You don’t have one of these liquid tanks liquid reservoirs. You’re trying to fill up in this one you’re just dumping the liquid right back in and this only turns on when you want it you can turn it on and off with this little controller.
Here. That’s the two main differences. Oh and over here for cooling down the steam turbine up top you can use we were using a rotation of hydrogen gas in this one we went to slightly different methods.
Which is where we used diamond window tiles and they just get chilled down by being in contact with the liquid oxygen and that spreads its chill up here a couple of temperature shift plates in the background. Yeah. This whole area is nice to buy me.
Minus 160 c. Mickey me. Making sure.
None of these overheat. This is just a rotational free or motion free way of providing the cooling. It just does mean you want to turn on your oxygen first one last advantage of this variant is well it’s service.
Perfectly serviceable. The reason being you can stick in a mechanized airlock up the top make sure this never goes below this point. These these temperatures hide your sensor here.
It’s set to detect. When there’s too much liquid up here so once the liquid oxygen gets to that level. It turns off the input gas getting thrown into the system.
Once the gas stops going into the system. There there’ll be no more oxygen. Which means the pool will be up to this high.
So. If you say i have a door here your duplicants can get in and service. The area which can be quite useful especially if it’s your first time doing one of these which means you can just you know stick in some ladder segments.
Here and then your duplicants can get in and out. And do whatever needs doing just one of the nice benefits of this these ones are a little bit more tricky to manage because well you don’t have as much space to work with the reason you might pick say this design. Which would seem a lot more difficult to function our service is because it requires much less resources.
And it’s a much smaller system for in terms of how much piping you have to put in this one over here also requires more less super coolant. So you’re going to need more super coolant for this system. And you’re going to need more piping this one requires less supercooled and less piping less everythings.
Which is to a smaller more compact system if that’s what you’re looking for both of them will achieve the same goals depending on what you’re trying to do okay. I’ll get into some of the nitty gritty. Know of some of the controls that are going on over here because we have multiple hydro sensors and multiple liquid sensors and all that well cover all of that and then at the end we’ll fire up this hydrogen one so you can see it’s starting up.
And doing its job in action. So over here. We have two hydro sensors.
One of them is said to turn off the gas. When it hits 450. Kilos and one of them here is that you turn on the liquid pump.
When it hits 250. So between 250 kilos and 450 kilos is where this thing. Draws liquid.
The reason for that is we want this much liquid in the tank to make sure that there’s a something for the liquid or super coolant to exchange heat with this is remember this liquid here we don’t want to pump that into rocket. We want this as a stabilizer so we don’t want this being too much liquid being drawn out of this so that it runs dry if it runs dry. It’s a little bit harder to start up starting up you usually have to be a little more careful.
But once it started up and you’ve got enough liquid oxygen to work with then you’re fine. So that’s why those two sensors are there and they yeah this sensor that checks the temperature set to hundred minus hundred ninety exact same system on this side so as you can see here this is at only allow hydrogen and this is at 850. Oh.
I should probably cover that oxygen here forms and liquid tile of 500 kilos. Once you go above 500 kilos. The tile will space and become 2 hydrogen.
However form said a thousand kilos and then it spits into a second tile. So. The hydro sensors.
Here set to a little different. So between 250 kilos and 850 kilos. This can quite.
Happily you know keep functioning. Exact same system with the liquid reservoir pumps. All the way around so we will hurt my debug deconstruct this and we shall reconstruct it and that should cause the system to go nuts and that should also cause the automation to kick in on allowing more hydrogen into the system.
There we go so. The hydrogen is being pumped in because we’re running below our margins. Which was 850 kilos.
We’re now below yet. We’re below this section. That pumps it in the super country is going around.
And you can see the equity owners kicked on again. And we’re cooling everything down this system will run forever. So i’m going to keep feeding it power.
So i’m just keep feeding a hydrogen. It will keep doing its job. The hydrogen.
Though mmm. The hydrogen is a little bit trickier than the oxygen. The reason for that is if you check out hydrogen here.
It’s freezing point is 259. But it’s vaporization point is 252 yeah that’s seven degrees you have seven degrees of temperature variance to work with now there’s a two degree cushion on either side. A state change cushion just to step things flashing back and forth between two different states.
So technically we need at 11 degrees to work with but mmm you really want to try and keep this as stable as possible so on this system. We’ve got it set to minus 255. And unfortunately you are gonna end up.
A little bit of gas splashing in and out. And sometimes. What will happen is the gas will build up to about 20 kilos before turning.
But usually once you’ve got a pool of liquid about this size. Once you’ve got the system primed you usually don’t have any more problems. Anymore.
I don’t believe that going for now. This system is filling up quite nicely. We’re going to turn on the hydrogen on this and we’re going to see how this one starts up first up we have to fill the system with super coolant.
This is going to be slightly different than some of the other ones. We’re not going to bridge it on because we’re trying to fill up a liquid tank here. We’re going to just pipe.
It on directly like that and start developing. Now. What we’re trying to do here is we want a little bit of a buffer in this tank.
So what we want to do is get about say 200 kilos of super coolant in here. Just an additional 200 kilos. So if you see here this keeps spitting on and adding.
More and more liquid. So we’ve got 50 60. 70.
80. 90. And you can see it going up and up and up so then we will just normally what you would do is you would have a an automation sensor hooked up to this and then when the time comes you just flip it to stop it to pumping in more liquid.
So just say about there we see you’ve got about 200 kilos. We will turn off this liquid pump blaster the liquid will flow in yep. The system’s full now we can go in and deconstruct.
All of this now. Aquatune is going to have to start getting all of this cool down to the relevant temperature. I think i had most of it pre cool just to save a suit of time once that’s hit the relevant temperature we can start dumping in the hydrogen so all the super coolant is pre chilled.
You’ll see there it’s like minus two hundred and sixty point four. It’s quite close to perfection and up here. We will just plug in the gas pumps.
Those gas pumps will start pumping down the hydrogen. Oh yeah. I should probably hook them up appear as well.
And it’s my bad all this gas is set to 70 c. I said all this stuff to 70 c. Because that’s about the temperature will come out of your or your system at any of your electrolyzers set starts dumping the gas in there and the gas starts to fill up the system.
Now this is for on boot up. It’s going to be a little bit slow. The reason being well you have no liquid pool to work with so it’s it’s a little bit inconvenient at the start.
But we’ll give this a little bit of time and you can see the hydrogen there is starting to rapidly plummet in temperature. Though yeah i don’t think these things can quite keep up with the full one kilo per second of hydrogen. Which is a good thing.
Because you were unlikely to have one kilo per second of hydrogen coming into your system. The reason. This takes so long to cool down is you’ve still gotta cool and all the temperature shift plates you’ll notice there’s a three rows of temperature shift plates in here.
Strategically placed at least one tile away from the edge. Same over here you’ll notice that there’s six temperature shift plates in the middle. But they’re not touching the edges same up here you’ll notice they’re not touching the edges.
The reason to have the temperature shift. There is they exchange heat with everything around them including all eight tiles and they will force heat into stuff that normally would not accept it too well for example. If this here was touching that tile.
It would force heat into that tile. And we would rather not do that same instance over here. But those 800 kilos need to be have a bunch of temperature dumped into them and even though we pre chilled us the super coolant had nothing to interact with which means only about now are the temperature shift pets hitting the correct temperature and yeah there we go the dakota hydrogen is starting to form but no icy liquid hydrogen no ice no nothing like that and you notice that the pressure in here has dropped to yes grams grams.
Of pressure hydrogen will take a little bit longer than your oxygen to stabilize. The reason being you’ve got much finer temperature margins and the oxygen. We’re we’re dumping a 10 to minus 190.
We’ve already gone what 7 degrees below it we go 7 degrees below. It’s freezing point just because we can reduction. We have that much room this one we barely have seven degrees to work with at all and let’s grab some hydrogen.
There it freezes at minus two five two point two and we’re aiming for 255. So really just barely over the freezing point. We’re about two degree further than the 2 degree cushion that’s normally included.
But there we go systems up and running the super coolant is passing through. We’re dumping in hydrogen as fast as we can it’s getting liquefied and turned into hydrogen get hydrogen liquid and when the time comes. We can turn this on and start pumping.
It where we want and we’ll be rotating it around and back into the tank remember you have to rotate it until you get your hands on insulated pipe made of insulation you have to rotate it so this save game file is included with them in the description. So if you want to download them have a look at the map. Copy paste.
These stuff have a play around with them see exactly how they work that’s a good way to do this just go over the temperature settings here for the liquid oxygen. I go with minus 190 for the liquid hydrogen. I go with 255 those two settings should help work for you just fine and both of these designs will work it just really depends on what your needs are the downsides of this one.
Though are you will have to sort of keep the liquid pumping the liquid reservoirs are there all the time and they’re going to be pumping liquid out. And you can’t really turn them off without you know causing a blockage somewhere. That’s going to damage a pipe.
So you’ve effectively committed to running a pump 24 7. 365. Days a year because of the system.
This one here you can turn off the liquid pumps to stop the rotation of liquid. Whenever you want and empty at the system. So it can save you some power in that way but usually by the time you get here.
You don’t really care. It’s more about size and convenience also this one has one steam turbine. This has two and this was more to demonstrate to another feature.
Though i probably should have fired about first if i was to start this system up and start to both the oxygen and the hydrogen at the same time the amount of heat produced would overwhelm the steam turbine and burner if i start to up one at a time yeah. The system can handle it so over here. This is more of a system that you can turn both sides on simultaneously and the system will not care.
It can handle both of them continuously. But once this is up to speed and both the systems are running you’ll notice we’re not really stressing these steam turbines too much they’re still only pumping it what’s that one current water just accelerate current water is 600. So this is the system doesn’t is not going to be too stressed so you could get away one steam turbine.
If you want but putting in two just means you can fire up both systems at the same time when i mean care or worry really depends on how much space you have available and how compact you want to make your designs in some designs. You will see for the super coolant tank. The one that even set the temperature.
You will sometimes find it that super coolant tank is located inside the steam room. I’m not too sure why people would do that the reason being the the super typically in the liquid reservoir will exchange heat with the surrounding environment. How much i haven’t tested.
You know what that something could answer that now right over here. We have a liquid reservoir that i have filled with 260 kilos of super. Current at minus.
227 and it is surrounded by 160 36. C. Steam.
Now if we look in here. You’ll notice the temperature. There is bubbling on that super coolant.
The reason being that super coolant is interacting with the reservoir and the reservoir is interacting with the steam. If we need that go for a while i’m sure the steam will condense so my advice do not put a liquid evening. Tank or a super good evening tank in a steam room.
If the super coolant is going to be you know super chill or something along those lines. It’s just really hard to stabilize the temperature that way you’re better off leaving it a distance away especially. When you’re going to have such stable temperatures passing through your piping.
It should be fine the whole point of these designs is to provide you with a stable flow of temperature. We’re trying to combat the natural 14. That the equity owner gives the equity owner.
Can’t be set to go. Oh yeah. We we’ve got a hundred we want a hundred degree temperature liquid coming out of you if you get 96 just that a commanded 100.
No whatever temperature you gave it fourteen every time if it’s on so these whole systems are just designed even at the temperature down to the point where it will chill it down to a lick. But not so much it turns it into ice ooh. Oh.
Please. There no i thought we had a little piece of ice there. So that’s the whole point of these systems.
And that’s why we make them this way anyway. We’ll do one quick demonstration as well as how you rotate this to fire two rockets minor note as well ceramic is very important for these not so much for the building of these devices. In general.
I like to use a bit of ceramic here in the layer between the steam rooms and the ice rooms themselves and between the liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen. The reason. I put ceramic on those axes is just to prevent.
There’s massive temperature difference between here and here the temperature difference between these two i don’t care about so much now. Let’s go with minerals. And you’ll see here that sort of the orange yellow.
That’s ceramic through there that sort of t shape up here you could have put in some ceramic as well if you really want to but you’re just saving power at that point down here you’re saving cooling. Which is what’s really important anyway. I’m gonna skip out to show you a demonstration service demonstration of these in action.
This here is a good sample map. This is one of my older designs. Unfortunately.
My my most recent map was a little bit ludicrous. So it’s not a very good example. This one here the way.
I have temperature shift plates going all the way out for the edge that that was a bad idea and this is only two tiles. I instead of being three so i can make sure the temperature shift plates are not touching the edges. But the good samples on this are to do with the rotation of liquids.
So right here you’ll notice. This here is the liquid hydrogen so it’s flowing out down. Here going through a couple of storage tanks.
And then it rotates out and this is all ceramic piping it rotates. All the way out and then it rotates all the way back in again and comes back into the system for a read shilling and the important thing to know here is can we get a reading on the temperature. There we go two hundred and sixty point one degrees.
So that liquid air is going on two hundred sixty one who rotates all the way around out here then comes all the way back in and then hotter the temperature looking at 259 point three. So we’ve lost point eighth of a degree in temperature. That’s why you have to keep it rotating.
If we were to do okay to debug mode. Let’s say t construct one of these pipe segments. Does that work no cancel that so if we were to leave the liquids in the pipe those pipe segments.
We’re going to start yeah are going to keep exchanging temperature. So that’s minus two fifty nine point three give that a little bit of time. And there we go point two and that will keep happening until those pipes snap.
You can see over here. There’s it was probably a glitch. When i was doing the rotation.
And i messed up and that the liquid sit in the pipes for a while now i have to get in there and repair those pipes. That’s not an entertaining. But end of story rotate them around rotate them all the way out and then bring them back this is another common question.
I get is why don’t i put my liquid oxygen and hydrogen tanks on top of the rockets that way the rest. Like you get caught in the rocket exhaust. Well that i normally like to do is if i’m doing it trying to be as efficient as possible.
I will build this system as parallel as i can with where the liquid intakes and for the liquid. Oxygen and liquid hydrogen are going to be to reduce distance so if i had done this correctly. I would probably have the system turn say about here somewhere so that the liquid oxygen could flow right across and the liquid hydrogen could flow right across it’s it’s pretty close the only reason.
There’s there’s some shenanigans going on er interiors. That’s a research rocket. And they were usually a little bit taller than your your later on cargo modules are going to be another thing.
We should cover is heat damaged. Yes you can see there there’s a liquid in the pipes is starting to break there. Because yeah system can have a moment.
We were going to get a replacement fiber with it here. Yeah right there look at the liquids flowing again to stop those pipes breaking anymore. There is more than one way to do things of course.
So what are the other options you’ve got when dealing with this the other option is you can meet her at the liquid. So only one kilo of liquid passes through this at a per second. If you do that then that means that the liquid goes out and it comes back it doesn’t matter how much temperature.
It exchange or how long it stays in the pipe for however you still have to rotate. It the reason being if you’re not rotating. It and you’ve metered it to one kilo per second eventually.
It’s just gonna back up in the pipes. And they’re going to have more than one kilo per second so rotation is highly important. But if you can’t afford to run this much ceramic.
Then you’re going to have to limited temperature to limit the output to one kilo per second. And then have that flow through the pipes and then come all the way back into the tank for retailing and once it’s retailed you send it back out again another option. There people here are commonly mentioned and i’ve i’ve done.
Some preliminary testing is using radiant liquid pipes out of say something like gold now radiant pipes would seem like a terrible idea correct. But the reason behind it is to do with the specific heat capacity goal as the specific heat capacity of. 0129.
Or something. Like say. A ceramic has a specific heat capacity of 840.
Yes. Also this ceramic pipe has 400 kilos of mass which means. That’s 400 kilos multiplied by 8 4.
0. This has a mass of 50 kilos multiplied by point 1 to 9 meaning. This will quickly equalize in temperature.
So what you could theoretically do is run a kilo of liquid through this for a while until its temperature gets low enough that it’s it’s the effectively the same temperature is the liquid at which point you can run as much through it as you want because there’s there’s no more temperature transfer going to happen they’re both equalized in temperature. Now that sounds great in theory. But i’ve never seen anyone use it in practice the reason being anytime.
It would go anywhere near a rocket silo that’s usually going to be roasting hot. It would immediately soak up all the heat or rocket takes off and lands. The gas given off would usually heat up the piping.
But maybe in some areas if you wanted to run it big long distances and you’re going to be going through a lot of vacuum with no chance of any gases interacting with it you could theoretically do that. But yeah. This is really just more of a theory.
I’ve never seen anyone use them practically another question. That comes up all the time is to do with plumbing and insulated pipes. There’s you can make a liquid pipe out of insulation like this and then there’s an insulated pipe made of insulation like this and people go well one of them costs 100 kilos and one costs 400 kilos so why not just use the hundred kilo variant considering that if you click on them and go to their properties they are well identical.
They look the exact same the only difference is that one of them’s got the insulated tag and one of them doesn’t right here. I have done a little bit of surgery. I have removed this pipe and i have replaced it with insulated pipe well regular pipe made of insulation over here.
I have removed this ceramic piping and replace it with insulated pipe made of insulation and then we were going to troll on the temperature. Overlay and we’re going to watch as that hydrogen gets pumped through the piping system and goes to here. Now.
The reason i thrown the temperature. Overlay is because well if you look at this pipe. This liquid pipe has a temperature of nineteen point.
Nine. This one has a temperature of 20 and nineteen point. Eight this is going to keep going down and down 197.
So the longer this is around for the more temperature. It’s going to absorb from the hydrogen. So the hydrogens coming in at minus 260.
It gets the other. Side it’s minus two fifty nine point eight. Point nine it lost 01 or 02.
Of a degree passing through here the reason for the difference is say look look at this one. What pipe over here. Its temperature.
Has remained exactly twenty c. And even over. Here.
It has remained as exactly twenty c. It’s to do with the modifier that insulated tag that insulated tag is a huge deal. It is a massive deal the reason being if you have just a regular pipe.
Without the insulate you know let’s start with insulated pipes insulated pipes with the insulated modifier when it comes to transferring heat between themselves and the liquid contents passing through them the thermal conductivity of the pipe. Itself is used and only the thermal conductivity of the pipe. So for anything passing through this pipe.
The thermal conductivity used is zero point zero zero zero. So no temperature transfer at all now for a pipe that has no insulated modifier thermal conductivity between the liquid passing sewers and the pipe itself is a combination of two sectors. One is the thermal conductivity of the pipe and the other is the liquid passing through you want to take the thermal conductivity of that and i don’t think it’s about fifty percent or it haves.
The two of them as the two them together divide them by two and you get what the average is so for that reason incident. I played of insulation will still exchange heat with the contents of whatever’s passing through them meaning. They’re not a perfect insulator.
You have to make the insulated. Pipes out of insulation that comes up all the time with all of that information out of the way. I’d like to make a few notes one the designs.
I’ve been showing you have been designed to produce about a 1 kilo of liquid oxygen per second. That’s enough to run about six rockets. Assuming.
You’ve got a a mix of petroleum and hydrogen. Engines. You’ve you’ll probably get about six rockets out of it more if you’re using only hydrogen.
But that would be highly unlikely you’d have that much floating around on your map. If you want to say if you if you have no intention of running six rockets you can make a smaller more compact design that doesn’t need as much you know much fiddling with you can also make them much much much larger. The whole system can be scaled up you can make it as big.
As you want or you can combine different variants forgettable. This one use liquid storage tank and we’re not using anything too even at the flow of the supercooling in fact we’re using enormous amounts of super cool interior running through multiple cooling loops all just strung together with no real cooling. The evening out of temperature is done by the the amount of liquid oxygen at the bottom.
What you do and how you do it is entirely up to you and you can definitely mix and match. Different features. So now ball this one is using and he’s using the hydrogen cooling loop is it yeah.
It’s using a hydrogen currently passing around the oxygen tank. There are so many different ways you can do this and this thing can even handle six kilos of oxygen per second. There’s a ludacris lense.
You can go to just mix and match the different parts of design. You want put them together. And you can get a custom built perfection for what you need let’s enjoy the game anyway oh.
But this was at least mildly informative for you and good luck. .
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